1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:11,000 So, here it is, a bright light, a very bright light, like it would be a fluorescent or a 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:18,000 type used on a street light, a very white and bright light. 3 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:28,000 And without the binoculars, I had to notice the particular radiation, like I think radiation 4 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,000 on the edge of this object. 5 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:40,000 And what I tried to determine with binoculars is whether this was the full size of the body of the object 6 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:48,000 or if it was attached to a body of the object, whether it was a light or the whole object. 7 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,000 What were you thinking about? 8 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:59,000 I believed that being as a radiation all around the edge of it and the intensity of it 9 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:05,000 with no other body showing, I believed that this was the actual size of the object 10 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:15,000 when I was in communications in the Navy, you're probably familiar with the 24-inch art type used in visual communications. 11 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:26,000 Yes, and it would have the intensity of about, as I say, a 24-inch art type at about 10 miles or 12 miles. 12 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,000 It was a very intense light, it was very bright light. 13 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:39,000 I judged it visually again later, I had passed a Seattle approximate position of 20 miles 14 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:49,000 southeast of Redmond at 35,000 feet and was confirmed to me at 25 southeast of Redmond 15 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:56,000 at various altitude between 6 and 52,000 feet by radar contact. 16 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:03,000 When I first put the binoculars up and looked at it, I was amazed to see that there was this radiation 17 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:13,000 around the edge of this object and just as I had put the binoculars up, there was a light, a tinnacle 18 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:21,000 come out of this and it was a crimson color red and they extended out to a quite sunny distance 19 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:30,000 and then some green work came closer to the object behind the red and then several other leaves came out 20 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:37,000 and not in that particular pattern or sequence of color and about three of them came out 21 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,000 and then they retracted back into the object. 22 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:45,000 This is very important, so let's go back over this again. 23 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,000 At this time this object appeared around the edge of the object. 24 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,000 That's right, around. 25 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:57,000 And this pinnacle that came out at what part of the object? 26 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Well, in comparison to say, top-of-the-side. 27 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:12,000 Well, going clockwise from 12 o'clock to around the clock, the first one appeared about between 2 and 3 o'clock 28 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:20,000 and the second one appeared at about 12 o'clock and the third one at 10 o'clock. 29 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:25,000 Now these tinnacles were of a different color now than the object. 30 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,000 You say they were, what color again? 31 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:34,000 They were, when it first came out, the first part of it was red as it extended further out, 32 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:42,000 it turned a greenish color and there was several occasions there was yellow along with these colors. 33 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,000 And this was a straight tinnacle or was it curved? 34 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,000 What was the shape of the tinnacle? 35 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:54,000 Well, it came almost straight out from the object and like a ray. 36 00:03:54,000 --> 00:04:04,000 Well, it would be like a ray, it wasn't like a straight beam or anything, it was irregular as far as the edges or the end of it. 37 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:09,000 It looked something like a holding a finger up and just a slight curve. 38 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:13,000 But it had a curve, so it definitely was not a ray type. 39 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,000 It wouldn't be a ray type. 40 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,000 It would not be a ray, it would definitely curve. 41 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,000 And all these objects had curves in the same direction. 42 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:34,000 Yeah, I said all curves from my position looking at the object would have been at about 035 degrees from the building 43 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,000 and which would have been over a quarter of a northeast there. 44 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:44,000 And the tinnacles curves to the back of it or towards the northeast. 45 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:52,000 Were these mechanical appendages sticking out from the object or were they gaseous? 46 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,000 Or could you describe them in more detail? 47 00:04:54,000 --> 00:05:05,000 They couldn't be attached to any vapor or any of this radiation giving off a downlight was off of the main body of the object. 48 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:11,000 So they could be mechanical or they could be more solid structured. 49 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:17,000 In your opinion, what was this object? 50 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:28,000 Well, I couldn't answer that. I don't know. I never observed anything like this or would have any idea. 51 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,000 But this is my first experience ever sighting anything like this. 52 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:39,000 Well, as a flight service specialist, you undoubtedly have seen many varied forms of aircraft. 53 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:50,000 This was definitely something that you had never seen before and never seen anything like it. 54 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:58,000 And you then would not have the slightest idea as to what it might be. 55 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,000 No, I would. 56 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:05,000 The good before the beyonder and the intelligent control. 57 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:12,000 I would say it was. It seemed that it could move very easily. 58 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:25,000 From a 30 minute, just like the interceptor would get so far away and it just took off vertically and it would move from the northeast to southeast 59 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:34,000 bearing about 172 degrees from our oven and how it would rise vertically and then move over to that position. 60 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,000 And it could rise or lower itself. 61 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:47,000 Where the solitude is 65 to 2000, I would think it would have to be very vulnerable on control. 62 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,000 Bob, where were you when you first sighted this unidentified object? 63 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:57,000 I was on the east side of Redmond, right on the city of Lincoln, the edge of town. 64 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,000 In other words, on the side of Redmond where we're standing now, the airport side of the town. 65 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:07,000 I don't know about what time it was, but I had about a quarter to five in the morning. 66 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:14,000 I was about a quarter to five and it was the weather, it was cloudy, rainy, or it was clear there was a few scattered clouds. 67 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:20,000 But, to and of, would you say that you could distinguish stars? 68 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,000 Yes. 69 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:26,000 There was no doubt in your mind about what this was, it wasn't a star, at least. 70 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,000 Thought how big was it, Bob? 71 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:36,000 Oh, I don't have any idea. It was a large object that I couldn't estimate as far as others. 72 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,000 Did you compare it to a dime or a quarter held arms length? 73 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,000 I didn't try to. 74 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,000 But how did it compare, I would say, with a star? 75 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:52,000 It was much larger than a star, but smaller than the moon. 76 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:57,000 Would you say it's sort of in between there or closer to the size of a star? 77 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:02,000 Oh, it's hard to estimate the size of a star, I just wouldn't want to make any estimate. 78 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,000 The one thing you are positive about though is that it is bigger or bigger than a star. 79 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,000 Oh, yes. 80 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:12,000 The only color to it, Bob, oh, it was a bright white, an intense light. 81 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:17,000 A bright intense, do you mean it was blinding or did it light up the countryside in any way? 82 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:22,000 Well, when I first observed it, when it was close to the ground, why did it tree it or lit up? 83 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,000 There's Juniper trees on the edge of town where it was real bright. 84 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,000 There were trees that were looking out there in the background right now. 85 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:34,000 Yes, and it was moving or stationary when you first thought, 86 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:39,000 well, when I first observed the object, I thought it would be a falling star coming down. 87 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,000 It was moving a lot slower, but that's the only thing I could picture that it would be. 88 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:48,000 And it got pretty close to the ground and it stopped and the trees lit up and I just thought you'd know what it was. 89 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,000 You stopped the car then? 90 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,000 Yes, I did. 91 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,000 The car was in motion when first you noticed this thing? 92 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,000 Yes. 93 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,000 And you stopped it to go to better look at it or did you think it was better to hit you? 94 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:03,000 Well, I thought it was going to hit the ground and I wanted to stop to see what it was going to look like, 95 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,000 because I couldn't think what else it would be other than a falling star. 96 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,000 Then did it remain perfectly stationary? 97 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:14,000 Well, it stopped close to the ground and it moved from side to side a little bit, 98 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,000 not in the extreme motion, but it did move. 99 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:22,000 There was some perceptible side to side motion of it, so what shape did it have? 100 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:27,000 Well, it was just a rather round shape, it's like a barrel. 101 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:32,000 And could you guesstimate its height from the ground? 102 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,000 No, I wouldn't. 103 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,000 I wouldn't want to estimate the height. 104 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,000 I don't know. 105 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,000 You couldn't even tell how close it was to you actually, could you? 106 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,000 No, I couldn't. 107 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:47,000 Was there any evidence of an exhaust to the thing? 108 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:51,000 Did it appear to have any motive power that you could tell? 109 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,000 No, not when I first noticed that it didn't. 110 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,000 How about an odor? 111 00:09:55,000 --> 00:10:01,000 Was there a strange odor out of ozone or anything that would indicate heat? 112 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,000 Nothing of this sort. 113 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,000 What did you do after you watched it? 114 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:10,000 Well, I watched it for five or ten minutes, something like that. 115 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:14,000 And the object seemed to change to a faint, well, the white light went on, 116 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:20,000 it changed to a faint red glow and moved to the sky points, etherally. 117 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,000 And etherally directed, and some red ones, in the direction of the airport, in other words. 118 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,000 Yes. 119 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,000 You say there was a faint redish glow to it as it moved? 120 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Yes, it wasn't a real black glow. 121 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,000 A black glow you had to look pretty hard to see it. 122 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,000 Was there something that surrounded it? 123 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,000 Well, I couldn't see the white at all. 124 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,000 It was just a faint red glow moving to the sky. 125 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,000 And so when it came on out to the airport? 126 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,000 Yes, I did. 127 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,000 And that's the first you knew of it too, isn't it, LeVern? 128 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:55,000 Yes, that's the first I had, I hadn't observed it before that. 129 00:10:55,000 --> 00:11:00,000 I had made the weather observation shortly before Bob came up, 130 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,000 and it wasn't visible to me then. 131 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,000 And when Bob came up and recorded this, 132 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,000 I didn't get very excited to start with, 133 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:14,000 and kind of figured maybe you might have been a bright star or something, 134 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,000 and so I finished up my weather report and came out to take a look at it. 135 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:23,000 He pointed out to where it didn't move to, and it was bright again then. 136 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:28,000 So it was too low and too bright to be a star. 137 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:32,000 I had a brighter than anything I'd observed before anything. 138 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:37,000 Would either of you gentlemen say it resembled anything you were familiar with 139 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,000 and objects you'd ever seen, either natural or man-made? 140 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,000 It's nothing I've ever seen. 141 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,000 Anything you could imagine that man might create? 142 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,000 No. 143 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,000 Nothing of the sort? 144 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,000 Nothing I could think of. 145 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,000 Do you have any idea what it was? 146 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,000 No, I would. 147 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,000 Bob, how about you? 148 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,000 No. 149 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,000 You don't have any opinions on this? 150 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,000 No, I haven't.